unlimited bandwidth is bull****...

[Frosty]

do you know what else is a joke? I see alot of hosting providers that offer only 200 MB bandwidth per month. Is that not the most ridiculous thing.
Oh yes, and does anyone here know if "Web position gold" for search engine positioning is any good, or is that a load of croak as well?
What would you say is the average amount bandwidth used by most websites? Cause i host my site at ** mentioned elsewhere 4 times ** and they allow 15 GB bandwidth.
But someone emailed me yesterday saying that his site uses 20 GB per month. Is that really common to use that much bandwidth? Becuase a 15 GB bandwidth is a massive amount.


[Edited by akashik on 04-12-2001 at 07:13 PM]

[akashik]

I remember a magazine offered a prize for any company that could give their site a top 5 position a while back. They contacted most of the more well known 'postion specialists'. At the time the mag went to press no company had taken the challenge, and cited many excuses for not being able to do it...

As for the other part, 15 gig is big. Some sites will go over that though. Major forums, download sites, streaming media etc will blow out your data transfer. In most cases though 2 gig will probably be more than enough (possibly less).

Greg Moore

[Frosty]

what the hell is wrong with you people, seriously? why on earth did you erase where i wrote the company URL that hosts my site?
i can mention where i host my site at as many times as i want. That`s just incredible. How ridiculous is that. You know what, you mention Ocean hosting quite alot on this board, "that annoys people". If i want to mention the fact that i host my site at unitedwebhosting.com as many times as i want, i can. Whoever erased the url i wrote is highly un-intelligent. Get with it. By the way, it`s quite pathetic that you have to advertise your site "ocean hosting" in this forum.

[Jaiem]

Originally posted by frosty
what the hell is wrong with you people, seriously? why on earth did you erase where i wrote the company URL that hosts my site?
i can mention where i host my site at as many times as i want. That`s just incredible. How ridiculous is that. You know what, you mention Ocean hosting quite alot on this board, "that annoys people". If i want to mention the fact that i host my site at unitedwebhosting.com as many times as i want, i can. Whoever erased the url i wrote is highly un-intelligent. Get with it. By the way, it`s quite pathetic that you have to advertise your site "ocean hosting" in this forum.

Sir,

Though I was not the one who edited your message, I have every confidence the moderator who did had good reasons for feeling it was necessary to make the change.

As to advertising, no one is permited to openly advertise their own services in these forums. A member may list his/her services in their signature line (with in reason) but no one can openly self-promote.

Good day.

[Frosty]

never mind, for some reason i thought it was you who "edited" my URL. And i have`nt in any way advertised or promoted anyone`s hosting services. I simply mentioned that i like the hosting provider i`m using now because i`m quite proud that i have finally found a good host for my sites. I had tried several hosting providers before and they were`nt any good till i found the one i`m using now.
And of course it would`nt be good for webhost companies to advertise here. That`s not not forums are for. But any idiot with half a brain that works would have been able to clearly see that i wasn`t advertising any hosting services for some company.

[akashik]

frosty,

It's all about balance. I mentioned elsewhere I was happy you'd found a great hosting company, and I really am. A quick scan of the boards will prove that to anyone reading through. The boards should have a non-bias feel to them though, especially due to the currently small number of posts here. I'm not in the habit of editing posts just for the sake of doing it, and there was no direct intent involved.

As for having half a brain, some people may consider you are being generous :)

Greg Moore

[Frosty]

Then I was talking about half of the 1% percent of the brain which was used.
I really don`t care if my post was "edited", i was just curious cause it seemed a little silly. Oh well.....

[Curtis Stevens]

In my opinion, I think the only thing that is unlimited is taxes. You can't offer unlimited, because someone has to pay for it, nothing is free in this world, someone has to pay for everything.

Curtis

[Frosty]

if a host allows 4 gigs of bandwidth (100 MB disk space), does that really mean that you can get 4 million hits on your site? Because addr.com says you can get that many hits with that hosting plan. But then i saw another host that had the exact same plan but they said you could only get about 200,000 hits. (So which one`s correct?).
By the way, if anyone cares, i`ve finally found an excellent hosting provider. They have very good prices and the uptime is darned good. I host my site at........i`m-not-allowed-to-tell.com

[Curtis Stevens]

It depends. They are probably basing that on a one page hit, and a small page in fact. If you have 4 gigs, then you have 4000MB of transfer to use. Lets say that all your visitors hit your homepage, and that is all and your hompeage is 50K in size. Then you could get about 80,000 hits from it.

HTH

[akashik]

Curtis is right on the money. The bigger your page's download the less 'hits' you can cram into your data transfer. Naturally it goes without saying the more images you use, and the size of those images, will alter this a great deal. Re-using images as often as possible will get you around this a bit as most browsers will cache an image and just reuse it instead of downloading it again. The html itself can have an effect too. If you use a lot of tables in your pages they'll bloat your html a great deal (Frontpage is legendary for this).

Most hosts will base their figures on a 10k page. Once the initial site is loaded, deeper pages are usually quite small, and contain mostly text, so it evens out to about that.

Greg Moore

[Frosty]

1000 KB= 1 MB
1000 MB= 1 GB
1000 GB= ?

If 4000 MB equals 4 GB (and that`s what a particluar host offers), then why don`t they just say that they offer 4 GB of bandwidth instead of 4000 MB? (4 GB sounds bigger).

So if i have 10 webpages and each one has the same image on top as the heading. Then i would just preload the one image on my homepage? Or would i have to preload the image on all ten pages? Because it`s the same exact image that i have on all webpages.

[akashik]

actually it's more like 1024K = 1Mb but for general converstaion you're pretty well right.

Most people would think 4000Meg is bigger than 4Gig if they didn't really know what a meg and a gig were. You have to remember there are a lot of people online that don't know a lot about computers really. Most of it is just point and click after all :)

You wouldn't need to pre-load the image. As long as it's the same image and linked by the same name your browser should cache it and reuse it automatically. I've rebuilt sites for a while now and you'd be amazed at how many times people have multiple copies of the same image with a different name. Headers are a great example. While it's not different on any of their other pages they call it something like indexheader.jpg on one page, then contactheader.jpg on another. Due to the different name it gets downloaded twice in just that example. It makes no sense at all to most people to do that, but some do it nonetheless.

A note on pre-loading:
Some sites do preload graphics. The idea of that is the index page contains extra graphics embedded in the index. Usually they have their size altered through the html to be 1 pixel by 1 pixel. You don't see it, but the browser will. In later pages those images are used in full view, and because the browser had already downloaded them once already they apparently appear instantly.

The problem with this is, it slows down the load time of the index page. As that's the hardest page to get up fast to keep people's attention, bloating it with extra graphics isn't the best way to go. (in my opinion).

All of that is pretty off topic for this thread I suppose but there you go :)

In your example, as long as you use the same image over and over in the headers of your site, the browser should only need to download it once.

Greg Moore

[Edited by akashik on 04-14-2001 at 12:42 PM]

[akashik]

Oh 1000 Gigbytes is a Terabyte by the way

Greg Moore

[Jaiem]

Originally posted by Curtis Stevens
In my opinion, I think the only thing that is unlimited is taxes. You can't offer unlimited, because someone has to pay for it, nothing is free in this world, someone has to pay for everything.

Curtis


You're sooooo right on that Curtis!!

Don't even get me started on taxes......

[Jaiem]

Frosty,

Are they saying 4000MB on thier site? Or are you seeing it in a listing on a hosting directory or search engine?

If the latter, that's understandable. Many hosting direcories, lists and engines, (for some reason) require the hosting companies who list there to enter thier bandwidth in terms of Megs or MB instead of Gigs. IOW, the host has no choice but to enter 4000MB since they can't enter 4GB.

[Frosty]

it said 4000 MB on their site. I forgot which hosting company it was though. But i always thought 4 GB looked bigger than 4000 MB even when i knew squat about hosting.

This is interesting: A friend of mine didn`t listen to me earlier and they went and hosted their site at an "unlimited bandwidth" hosting company, so i emailed the company and it took four emails that i sent to them before they finally gave me a direct answer. This host claimed to have unlimited bandwidth and i finally found out that they cut you off at 2 gigs.

[Jaiem]

Hmmmmm.....sounds like either they don't understand the MB/GB relationship or they are appealing to people who are more comfortable thinking megs than gigs.

Wonder what they're going to do when the world reaches Terabytes. :)

[akashik]

Wonder what they're going to do when the world reaches Terabytes. :)


Umm, hope everyone is using widescreen monitors I suppose *lol* That's a pretty wide column in the comparison chart to put terabytes as meg :)

Greg Moore

[Curtis Stevens]

If I'm not wrong here, but I believe it is 1024K in one MB.

:)

[Jaiem]

It is Curtis, just as 1024 bytes is 1 KB.

But for simple illustrations and discussions it's common to assume 1K = 1,000. Makes the math easier.

[chrishenson]

@ unitedwebhosting.com

The company acquired Cubibichosting.net without informing customers, then charged accounts without authorization. They did not answer support tickets or emails for 2 months on simple issues, and in this particular issue, when asked to change the main billing domain, restored the new site with a 3 months old backup, erasing 3 months of customer?s work, as well as the databases for 3 months on several forums and sites. Support refused to help resolve issue.

If a hosting provider cannot return simple support requests or inquiries, cannot take competent backups, and charges customers accounts without authorization, they should not be in the web hosting business.

I would never recommend this hosting company to anyone due to their incompetent technical support and practices and unauthorized billing.

[OverBrook]

If I'm not wrong here, but I believe it is 1024K in one MB.

:)

does a difference of 24 here and there count?.....man, they are offering 4000 MB.....what a joke !!!

[craigman]

The average website only uses maybe 1GB of bandwidth per month. Hosting companies selling unlimited bandwidth should be banned.